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Seriously- spoilers.  Don't read ahead if you haven't seen it.

Okay....


1. When did Angels stop having to not look at each other?  And why?

2. Will the 12th Doctor have a bad wrist that acts up?  Or will he/she just be generally kind of "undercooked"?

3. The (underused) real NYC locations looked great.

4. One observation from my girlfriend here: In a city of 7 million people (I checked the 1930s population stats, folks), the Statue of Liberty is probably the most constantly-observed statue in history.  Getting off its pedestal on Ellis Island would be a challenge.  To say nothing of how many people might pay extra attention if it's walking around Manhattan.  Or is the answer that David Copperfield is in a secret alliance with the angels??? [link]

5. River was less annoying/smug than usual- almost back to her likeable SILENCE IN THE LIBRARY self (appropriately enough).  I guess she grows on you in a timey-wimey way. ;)

6. "I'll just come back!" You said it Rory.  Best line of the episode.  And he's right.  After so many far worse situations, it's kind of hard to accept this is really the end for them, which makes it hard to get too upset (the breakneck pace of the episode didn't help).

7. Brian (and Amy's never-again-mentioned family) never get brought up, and I have a feeling never will again.  :(

8. I guess the Ponds won't be waving to themselves in 2020.  That was already established as an "unfixed point" though (whatever that means- it seems to fly in the face of how "fixed points" are explained in this story). So fair enough.  I think.

9. And this is the big one...

AFTERWORD
by Amy Williams

Dear Doctor, I know NYC is all time-fragmented, so Rory and I have taken a bus to Yonkers. We're at the bus depot at 59 Babcock Place (September 8th, 1959, 2:25 PM). Could you come pick us up, like, now? This place is kinda smelly. Ta! XO -Amy

P.S.- And don't freak out about the tombstone. I just bought that plot and commissioned a bogus headstone with our names on it- so no worries there. See ya soon! :)
  • Listening to: Murray Gold
  • Reading: The Manhattan Projects
  • Watching: Doctor Who season 7 (duh)
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:iconthehalfboy:
I thought a better explanation would have been that the TARDIS couldn't close in on Rory, because of the paradox within a paradox.
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:iconmountainlord92:
1. they do still cover their eyes, I guess while they stand behind one another with their wings spread and snarling they dont have to be looking at each other, they could easily concentrate their entire gaze on something else. Now that you mention it, I am half surprised they didnt accidentally look at one another during their attack on Sally and Larry in Blink.

2. its funny you should ask that in my fanfiction story 'The Long Regeneration' I briefly mention the 12th Doctor being the one to break up with River because he no longer loves her and possibly being a bit 'undercooked' as you put it.

3. Yes it was! :D

4. I dont know how close Ellis Island is to the building that the Angels ran, being late at night people may not have been looking at it so intently so would have missed its brief disappearance. You are right though, it makes little sense.

5. River is older and is now married, she has to mature slightly until she is how she is in 'Silence in the Library'.

6. Moffat's refusal to do any two-parters at all is a huge mistake, so far nearly all of the stories have felt incredibly rushed, this one would have greatly benefitted from being spread over two episodes rather than just the one. I was actually quite sad when they initially jumped off the building but I think they ended up trying too hard to make it sad so it felt almost vomit inducing rather than sad.

7. It is a change from what happened under Russel T Davies who had the Doctor interacting with the entire families of the companions. It got rather tiresome towards the end, a good decision on Moffat's part to keep them mostly anonymous here. Sometimes less is more.

8. The previous episode states that they had been travelling with the Doctor on and off for ten years, I guess it could have reached and/or passed 2020 by the time they rejoined the Doctor at the end of 'The Power of Three', meaning they could have visited themselves before 'Angels Take Manhattan' happened.

9. Lol, actually the thing that annoyed me about that afterword was her telling him to go and visit her younger self, surely that would just change history and cause no end of spoilers. It means that Amy actually knew everything that was going to happen already, that can't be right.
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*Oly-RRR Oct 2, 2012  Professional General Artist
What bugs me the most (besides the fact that I'd rather have two-parters than a bunch of rushed episodes) is that last angel. It misplaced Amy and Rory and then... what, politely walked off to let the Doctor grieve? Maybe I missed this because I've only watched it once so far.

In fact, the only episode I found perfect in this season so far was A Town Called Mercy. But it's okay, many things aren't perfect but I still enjoy them. :)
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~legion626 Oct 1, 2012  Student General Artist
so wait if the doctor erased all recorded history of him self and river got out of jail or parden'd for doing nothing doesnt that mean that silence in the library never happen'd.


oh and ps i was with my friend whos just started blink and is now intrested in the show and the angels tarrified him but he told me a friend who also watches said that the angels were second scary in his book and i asked him how. i didnt think there was any thing really on par with the angels. Then he told me his friend said the silence were scarier to which i face palmed announcing
I FORGOT ABOUT THE SILENCE
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~kingpin1055 Oct 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
4. One observation from my girlfriend here: In a city of 7 million people (I checked the 1930s population stats, folks), the Statue of Liberty is probably the most constantly-observed statue in history. Getting off its pedestal on Ellis Island would be a challenge. To say nothing of how many people might pay extra attention if it's walking around Manhattan. Or is the answer that David Copperfield is in a secret alliance with the angels???

Winter Quay is/was located at Battery Park (the southern tip of Manhattan Island), so the Statue of Liberty Weeping Angel only had to cross the bay and climb onto the island, rather than walk through all of Manhattan (Don't let the presence of the Chrysler Building fool you, it's nowhere near Battery Park).

Side note: The statue doesn't reside on Ellis Island. Ellis Island was the base for immigration when those leaving England, Ireland and Europe entered "The New World"... it's where Jack first realised he couldn't die after he was shot there in the 1880s. The statue resides at Liberty Island, formerly Bedloe's Island, a former fort in New York harbour.

I chalk it up to it being late at night and not many people being arround, some people probably did still see it (hence why the Statue's steps weren't a constant pattern, but had breaks). As the paradox eradicated the Angels and restored all of the statues in the city to their native, inanimate state, anyone who noticed the statue moving back in the 30s, lost that memory.
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*PaulHanley Oct 2, 2012  Professional
The "erratic footsteps" thing makes it even more absurd, as that would bring even more onlookers. NYC is densely populated. If they hear something like that, they're going to come look. So with hundreds (maybe thousands) of people staring in terrified awe, when is it gonna get a chance to move?

Sorry, I'm sure the kiddies loved it, but that was just silly.
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~kingpin1055 Oct 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oops, sorry for having that all in bold.
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:iconhaddonart:
9. Totally agree, well I agree with everything you've said, but especially this. It will sound harsh, but I think they should have died when they jumped off the building. Save the world, save NY, save the Doctor. Yet for the Paradox to stay working they'd have to stay dead. It would of been very harsh, true, but I think a lot more emotionally powerful than the ending we got...
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*PaulHanley Oct 2, 2012  Professional
Yeah- actually killing them would have been a better solution. I like the Ponds, but it's the stronger ending. I know they're worried about upsetting kids, but the ending we got kinda felt like a cop-out.
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~DoctorFry Oct 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
2. I was thinking that might have wasted an entire regeneration, meaning Eleven could be... the last one? (after The Stolen Earth)They're pushing the drama of finding a new regeneration cycle to now? :O

4. Since the whole thing was undone by a paradox, I guess it doesn't matter anyway. lol

5. She's a lot better when she's not centre-stage. Season 6 was like Captain Jack in Miracle Day.

9. YOU'RE GETTING LOGIC IN MY FEELINGS STOP IT.
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